| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
RicheyJames
Bad Tempered Young Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: far beyond the pale
|
 Post #1 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject: jerry springer the opera vs the christian right |
  |
|
british readers may be aware that woolworths and sainsburys recently withdrew the dvd of jerry springer the opera from sale following complaints from the right-wing christian voice group. it appears that sainsburys only received between ten and twenty complaints before deciding to withdraw js:to from sale. they justified this action by stating that this was an unusual number of complaints about a dvd.
surely this means that if they receive at least twenty complaints about any other dvd they are duty-bound to either remove that from sale as well or put jerry back on the shelves? well i for one find jim davidson's brand of racist, sexist "humour" deeply offensive so am about to suggest that sainsburys remove this filth from their shelves immediately. anyone with me?
_________________
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray" |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Quiff Boy
Herr Administrator
Joined: 24 Jan 2002
Posts: 13045
Location: Mancunia
|
 Post #2 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
aye. sounds like a plan to me.
_________________
One fine day I'll see that flaming star
That flaming star, over my shoulder
And when I see that old flaming star
I'll know my time, my time has come |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Izzy HaveMercy
The Worlds Greatest Living Belgian
Joined: 28 Jan 2002
Posts: 7658
Location: Long Dark Thirties
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Quiff Boy
Herr Administrator
Joined: 24 Jan 2002
Posts: 13045
Location: Mancunia
|
| Post #4 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/contactus/contactus.htm
_________________
One fine day I'll see that flaming star
That flaming star, over my shoulder
And when I see that old flaming star
I'll know my time, my time has come |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RicheyJames
Bad Tempered Young Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: far beyond the pale
|
| Post #5 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
good man, quiffster. here's the text of my mail to sainsburys:
| in an email to sainsburys i wrote: | I write with relation to the DVD "Jim Davidson Full On Live" which is currently available from both your website and your stores. I find Davidson's brand of sexist, homophobic, racist "humour" deeply offensive and believe that it has no place in twenty-first century Britain. As such, I urge you to remove this deeply unpleasant "entertainment" product from your shelves as soon as possible.
I look forward to your response. |
feel free to use for inspiration. or copy the bugger wholesale.
_________________
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
markfiend
The Cat In The Hat
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 14102
Location: 1987
|
| Post #6 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It might be an idea to change the wording slightly, as multiple identical e-mails might be identified as spam.
_________________
On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mrs RicheyJames
Overbomber
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Posts: 4144
Location: Rick Astley's house. Trying to find out why he chooses to look like Timsinister.
|
| Post #7 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Now how did I know you were going to say something like that?
_________________
Only a paand. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
boudicca
Sister Midnight
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 8100
Location: there in spirit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
boudicca
Sister Midnight
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 8100
Location: there in spirit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
markfiend
The Cat In The Hat
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 14102
Location: 1987
|
| Post #10 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| In an e-mail to J Sainsbury I wrote: | I am astounded at reports that a concerted campaign from a small pressure group, "Christian Voice", has led you to remove the "Jerry Springer - The Opera" DVD from your shelves. In a democracy, surely the best way to answer criticism and satire is just that; to answer it. Mere silencing of the opposition is censorship, and it has all the appearance of an unwillingness, even an inability on Christianity's part to have any dialogue with its critics and satirists.
As a Christian myself, I am appalled that you seem to think that Christianity is not strong enough to stand up to satire. I may not agree with "Jerry Springer - The Opera" but I do not believe you should have removed it from your shelves for this reason.
I look forward to your response.
Regards
Mark Wolstenholme |
OK, I'm not a Christian, let's just say I'm playing Devil's advocate 
_________________
On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RicheyJames
Bad Tempered Young Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: far beyond the pale
|
| Post #11 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| markfiend wrote: | | It might be an idea to change the wording slightly, as multiple identical e-mails might be identified as spam. |
| boudicca wrote: | | If they get all these mails say, today and tomorrow, won't they smell a rat? |
well as i understand it, these are pretty much the exact same tactics that christian voice use and it seems to work for them...
_________________
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
boudicca
Sister Midnight
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 8100
Location: there in spirit
|
| Post #12 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| RicheyJames wrote: | | boudicca wrote: | | If they get all these mails say, today and tomorrow, won't they smell a rat? |
well as i understand it, these are pretty much the exact same tactics that christian voice use and it seems to work for them... |
Alrighty! 
_________________
Turn on, choon in and burn out to Radio Painted Bird - no knob-twiddling required!
"You wearing Lynx?"
"Well smelt. Voodoo!"
"Java!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
scotty
Overbomber
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Posts: 4986
Location: Behind the Door.........
|
| Post #13 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| boudicca wrote: |
If they get all these mails say, today and tomorrow, won't they smell a rat? |
You could always give them my mobile number Boudica 
_________________
Being brave is coming home at 2am half drunk, smelling of perfume, climbing into bed, slapping the wife on the arse and saying,"right fatty, you're next!!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Brideoffrankenstein
Overbomber
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 3322
|
| Post #14 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: jerry springer the opera vs the christian right |
|
|
| RicheyJames wrote: | | jim davidson |
He was right about Great Yarmouth though |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
andymackem
Slight Overbomber
Joined: 17 Dec 2003
Posts: 1161
Location: Essex riviera
|
| Post #15 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
CV are trying to sue Southend Council to prevent the touring production being staged here.
As a result a fairly mediocre one-joke show which draws the bulk of its humour from the use of rude words in an 'arty' context will be a mainstream sell-out rather than a barely remarked self-indulgence playing in a draughty hall above a pub in Chiswick.
Surely Christian Voice et al can't be so stupid as to believe their protests are having any impact in suppressing these events.
How confident are we that CV and chums are genuine protesters, and not part of an on-going post-modern marketing campaign?
Does CV have any kind of recorded history dating beyond the days of this show? Has anyone ever heard of them in any other context?
It's all a bit convenient, no?
_________________
Names are just a souvenir ... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
boudicca
Sister Midnight
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 8100
Location: there in spirit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Pat
Slight Overbomber
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 1052
Location: Midgieville Scotland
|
| Post #17 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Done. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nick the stripper
Slight Overbomber
Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Posts: 1746
Location: Somewhere between Athens and Jerusalem.
|
| Post #18 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I know this whole Jim Davidson thing is a bit of fun, but I'm not partaking. If I did, I'd be as bad as the Christians.
I agree with the J Sainsbury e-mail. We can't exactly live in a world of free-speech if we try to ban product that is homophobic, racist, anti-religious, or sexist.
Hell, I don't agree with it and I certainly wouldn't buy it, I don't even like the smug little bastard. But I have to respect Jim's right to freedom of speech and the people who buy his DVDs right to see whatever the hell they want. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
emilystrange
Underneath the Rock
Joined: 03 Nov 2003
Posts: 6921
Location: Lady Strange's boudoir.
|
| Post #19 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| nick the stripper wrote: | | I agree with the J Sainsbury e-mail. We can't exactly live in a world of free-speech if we try to ban product that is homophobic, racist, anti-religious, or sexist. |
you can if its illegal...
_________________
in my hands i hold the future, and my heart is the powerzone - but i can't do it on my own |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zuma
Slight Overbomber
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 1867
|
| Post #20 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| emilystrange wrote: | | nick the stripper wrote: | | I agree with the J Sainsbury e-mail. We can't exactly live in a world of free-speech if we try to ban product that is homophobic, racist, anti-religious, or sexist. |
you can if its illegal... |
This gets more and more morally difficult, especially if you consider folk like Lenny Bruce, also where do we stop next, McCarthyism, Guantanamo etc.
Not for one second do I defend Mr Nick, Nick, that is a generation of comedy that should be buried and gone, but almost all comedy seems to take the p*ss out of someone else, such as for example the M*ssion jokes on here. Is it good natured or not is of course another matter.
I realise this opens a whole can of worms, but what the hell, nothing wrong with a healthy debate here... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robertzombie
Overbomber
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 3846
Location: London
|
| Post #21 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I will be emailing them about Jim's DVD but only to see if we get a response. Granted, Jim Davidson isn't funny at all but it's slightly hypocritical of you to say that one thing (JS:TO) shouldn't be band but another thing (JD:FOL) should.
But I guess I'm with you.
_________________
THE MUMBLES : THE DUST LEFT BEHIND - NEW ALBUM - CD & DOWNLOAD - OUT NOW! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
boudicca
Sister Midnight
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 8100
Location: there in spirit
|
| Post #22 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| nick the stripper wrote: | | But I have to respect Jim's right to freedom of speech and the people who buy his DVDs right to see whatever the hell they want. |
Of course, in theory you're right. I don't want to deny anyone freedom of speech - but not getting his DVD sold in Sainsbury's (or any other major store) is not actually doing that. There are other ways he can sell it. I'm not saying it should be like the Bible in the USSR.
It would just be bad for his career, that's all...
Don't begrudge us our fun, eh Josh? 
_________________
Turn on, choon in and burn out to Radio Painted Bird - no knob-twiddling required!
"You wearing Lynx?"
"Well smelt. Voodoo!"
"Java!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Obviousman
Outside the Simian Flock
Joined: 22 Aug 2004
Posts: 7535
Location: Ahead of the curve
|
| Post #23 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hmm, Religious Right is getting worse...
Just the other day I read they stopped Ford from advertising Jaguars and Range Rovers in gay magazines because it was sinful. But luckily others don't give in, like IIRC Wells Fargo Bank...
Also they're protesting against what apparently is the trend in the US, saying happy Holiday Season (instead of Merry Christmas), calling the Christmas tree a holiday or unity tree or something like that and Silent Night being turned into White Night 
Anyway, the only time I remember something being banned from big supermarkets was some years ago and it was one of my favourite CDs 
But, it was because of this cover, and I can see their point
Good luck with your action against silly comics, I think it's not a bad action, you're showing those guys what silly situations this can lead to... As long as it does not make it overcrowded on here I'm happy
_________________
Styles are a lie.
My MySpace/My Flickr |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robertzombie
Overbomber
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 3846
Location: London
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RicheyJames
Bad Tempered Young Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: far beyond the pale
|
| Post #25 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
just a couple of points: firstly, this isn't about getting sainsburys to withdraw jim davidson's dvd from sale. it's about highlighting their hypocrisy in bowing to pressure from the christian right. whilst i may detest the views of mr davidson as a supporter of free speech i acknowledge his right to those views. secondly, this isn't about "putting heartland on the map." it's about making a protest against minority pressure groups imposing their world view on the rest of society. now carry on the good fight!
_________________
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Can we stop playing Devil's advocate for just a moment and send these dash-darned mails please?