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PostPost #51  Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I can't find a higher bitrate version on any p2p program. Oh well.
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PostPost #52  Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

heat-seeking, out of the sun
you can set the controls for the heart or the knees

Yet more Pink Floyd references.
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PostPost #53  Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I got this after being stuck on a bus for ages playin 'Under' on repeat. I had just watched the vid the day before...
is it me or had Von been watchin the Terminator films alot?!?! stick with me on this.....
Besides the hilarious robotic hand in the video theres a few references that sorta fit into Terminator, which was, of course huge in 1991.
the most 'obvious' I reckon could be:

'It never happened' -aborting of Judgement Day
'Explosive bolts, 10,000 volts' -- the time travel effects
'Abrasive wheels & molten metals' - T-1000 & the steel mill
'Cloudburst and all around' - The nuclear war.....

anyone else care to work a few out?
The original lyrics & song sorta would fit in well with the Terminator 1 end credits...
just a thought!
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PostPost #54  Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hom_Corleone wrote:
It's by far the blandist musak by the Sisters and no matter how many times I've listened to it I cannot like it. I agree with the 'contractual obligation' sentiment. He wasn't even trying.


i couldnt disagree more, especially with someone with such a disturbing avatar!!!!
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PostPost #55  Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The usual one-shot theory:

Von has to record a "straight up, down the line, housewife-type AOR" single to stick on the compilation. He's a bit sick of the whole spiel by now, and so decides to provide a healthy dose of irony by adding his own ranting coda all about failed expectations, the abysmal state of the system, the great rock and roll plagiarism (all the Floyd references and the Hughes lyrics at the start) and, perhaps, a sly nod to the flaws of his own writing style.

It's his sneery way of fulfilling the contract and still keeping the ironist/sarcasm junkie in himself happy with all that stuff at the end. That's my guess.
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PostPost #56  Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

or like the majority of his work, IMHO, its just rather ambiguous with cool sounding words and phrases. its all very deep and can therefore be interpreted in any number of ways whils he still thinks he's the worlds greatest lyricist!
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PostPost #57  Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: the gegen-nazi man Reply with quote Back to top

under the gun = slight rip-off of bryan ferry's song ''Is your love strong enough'', guess Von coaxed the basis for dr avalanche from this song, well the patterns are kinda a bit similar at certain spots. Mr. Green
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PostPost #58  Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: the gegen-nazi man Reply with quote Back to top

demolitionsisters wrote:
under the gun = slight rip-off of bryan ferry's song ''Is your love strong enough''
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l the patterns are kinda a bit similar at certain spots.


The combination of the two might make a fun mash-up.
...that, or it'd be wretchedly horrid.
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PostPost #59  Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LaGwardia wrote:
I got this after being stuck on a bus for ages playin 'Under' on repeat. I had just watched the vid the day before...
is it me or had Von been watchin the Terminator films alot?!?! stick with me on this.....
Besides the hilarious robotic hand in the video theres a few references that sorta fit into Terminator, which was, of course huge in 1991.
the most 'obvious' I reckon could be:

'It never happened' -aborting of Judgement Day
'Explosive bolts, 10,000 volts' -- the time travel effects
'Abrasive wheels & molten metals' - T-1000 & the steel mill
'Cloudburst and all around' - The nuclear war.....

anyone else care to work a few out?
The original lyrics & song sorta would fit in well with the Terminator 1 end credits...
just a thought!
Greg


I always thought he looked like T-1000 in that vid.
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PostPost #60  Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you guys and gals really think that all those lyrics at the end of the song are just a bunch of incoherent ramblings, I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken.

I believe history will prove that Under The Gun is truly AE's Magnum Opus.
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PostPost #61  Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Under the Gun Reply with quote Back to top

"abrasive wheels and molten metals"

They are probably just words chosen for visual imagery but I was curious to know, could there be a nod to the band Leeds band Abrasive Wheels? I presume from the dates on Wikipedia, it's more than possible that Our fearless leader! and/or the fledgling Sisters would have been aware of them... i

Any of the older Leeds stalwarts have any idea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrasive_Wheels
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PostPost #62  Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The original version is on Youtube now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ84OWiRqVQ
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PostPost #63  Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Prescott wrote:
If you guys and gals really think that all those lyrics at the end of the song are just a bunch of incoherent ramblings, I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken.

I believe history will prove that Under The Gun is truly AE's Magnum Opus.



Couldn't agree more!!!


smiscandlon wrote:
Obviousman wrote:
Is it just me or does this song, well, the last part of it look like he's just put in all sentences he collected over the years which are basically very cool but for which he could not find the song to fit them in?


DO NOT BLASPHEME.

IT IS ALL PART OF THE MASTERPLAN.

Our fearless leader!



Definitely a part of a masterplan!



I think Under the Gun is the sequel of Temple of Love, just more comprehensive, yet more refined. The fact that he included someone else's lyrics doesn't change anything at all (just proves that he was listening not only to his kind of music).

Andrew is an artist. First of all. And for that should be given the credit; a lot more than he gets it.

Though artists are easy to go astray on wanderings by mistake, wandering means the comeback is meant to happen.



Btw, as I already said on the lyrics topic, this song was exactly what I needed to hear back then, once upon a time... It's surely not meaningless rambling, people come on! Smile
Maybe I analyze a few lines later...
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PostPost #64  Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I feel I kind of promised a few words about this masterpiece.

If one would write about every single line of the song and each scene of the video clip, it would fill few pages here. So, I'll try to keep it as concise as possible. Although, I think there is a material in this song for a whole movie; but the Force of Andy's genius succeeded to put it all in a short form of a r'n'r clip.

It would be nice if it gets you interested to search for more... Andrew is a deep artistic well, the one in which everyone sees his/her own reflection (as in every true art). He's sort of a judge of the last days...Smile If you set yourselves to research his art, it'll lead you to expanded dimensions. Wink You don't have to be super-educated in arts to be able to hear and to look (among the garbage and the flowers) ...


So... Shall we delve into it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0i_uKUJCUI


First, go take a look at the official video clip (you can slow it down if you need) - it is very revealing. Nothing in the clip is out of control or by chance - Andrew precisely conveyed the message. If you just listen and watch more closely, you'll see he's not complicated at all, but very transparent actually, because he obviously wants to be understood.
(Ok, some knowledge is required, but don't be desperate if you don't have it; it means you don't need it).


The opening scene is like: "OMG, why is this all happening to me?"

Then we immediately see blue light behind him... It's obvious throughout the clip that light plays a very important role for enlightening the story... Blue light basically represents spirituality and truth, and it is behind him throughout all the clip, so I guess he wants to say that he is backed up (just) by the truth, t.i. is going to tell the truth.
At the same time, Terri Nun is mostly lit by white light, which basically does mean innocence, but sometimes can mean sterility, boredom, non-inventiveness... Let's figure out what he meant?...
Let me guess, yes... Very Happy
Terri Nun is better lit than him almost all of the time, with bright lights emanating from behind her - I'd say the author could saw the girl generally as an angel at the (past?) time; or/and that she has some stronger background (richer/more powerful parents who watch her back?), and she therefore has it easier than him and a lot of free time for (brainless) preaching (to that we come in an instant)... So, I'd say white lights are here
behind her to convey both meanings - "Maybe I (still?) think you could be my angel, if you just stop being so sterile to see all just black/white". (We see that he has colorful spirits emanating from him, while hers are b/w.)

Then, there is a reflector playing a role in the clip...
When it turns out in the moment he says "frozen heat", it's a clear meaning. Otherwise, I'd say its role is to tell that his behaviour is the reflexion of her behaviour; she cannot just blaim him for everything... Because, for a (love) magic to successfully work, it takes a well-united couple. "If you turn against me instead of supporting me when the road gets too tough, then there's no more magic, it doesn't work anymore, for I fall apart and you fall apart, what else did you expect?"... That's the story of the reflector. Smile In a true man/woman one to one religion, "oh, no hundred men would dare cut into us"; otherwise we're all prone to bigger or lesser, sooner or later shattering...


And so, the love story of the song goes on like this, imho:

First of all, I am a woman and the author is not, so I guess the love part could be simpler than what I'll describe under, and I can only try to put myself in male shoes for a moment and guess it could have been like this: He has actually already released her and kind of came to terms with her leaving (frozen heat), but she has appeared again for whatever the reason (strong relationships are always kind of on-and-off at the end; she came back because she heard "Temple of love"?; but she could have also come back (more-less consciously or unconsciously, never mind) for the ego reasons - so that she can hook him emotionally again and then ditch him, because it's easier like that then v.v.; but upon return, she is telling him again all the same rants of hers, instead of trying to understand him too...

So, he wrote the song to tell her "Hey girl, could you put yourself in my shoes if you want this really to be decent and succeed?" And then tells her his story and his reasons...

We see in one moment it's just female voice asking "Are you living for love?", while he is listening, saying nothing, but the shadows are crossing his face... That's his answer, and in the same time his apology to her. In the next moment, while she is in the same mood, he is well lit, so I guess he wants to say that he actually is living for love; or he wants to, but it's not always easy (when she asks him that question for the last time he smiles ironically - so, it's not just like that; it's easier said than done; or/and he is simply already annoyed with hers always the same blah-blahs; he possibly thinks how her mouth are full of speaking about love, while she actually doesn't understand fully what depths it takes; or he even wants to tell she's a plain liar).

After enduring of listening to her, he is now asking her "Are you living for love?", drawing her again what's the problem... love is a many splintered things... I'd say the lady was aware of it by then, but just didn't feel she should solve it for him. I'd guess from the song that he was also somewhere deep down aware that she is not that quite right one, but was still emotionally attached to that gorgeous savior love feeling he once had while with her... It seems to me he's trying to say "Look, I know I have this problem that bothered you, but I feel you could (have) release(d) it... When you withheld your love which was much of my shield, I was left prone to stronger attacks of my various demons... Will you please understand that, forgive me if you can, and - this is my pure guess, but oh how I think I'm right here - could you please stop acting as a b/w preacher and try to be human, see "the problem" I have as a human being (but also, see yours), and if you want, then hang here with me to try to solve it together... Without you, I'm still trying to work my a.s out to seek for myself all the help I can get, but it doesn't work well."


The other layer of the song is about describing the jerks who like to think they are the chosen ones (=live in a typical losers' delusion), or better said, would
like to usurp the real chosen ones' place by various crap instead of by really living for love, all the while trying to destroy the real chosen ones by various means of theoretical deceptions combined with brutal force... but the real chosen ones know they don't need the many steps to heaven, because they were born intuitivelly knowing shortcut to it.

As for "the meek" ones who listen to the jerks, the author has the message that they will get what they ask for - I would translate it as "If you want to be a sheep, be prepared to get shaved, or worse..."


There are also military terms in the lyrics, but research that layer for yourselves if you're interested...

There is one more layer to the song, but it's the most secretive one.


Let's not forget the greatest possible words of love right at the beginning of the song (this is lacking in the video clip):

"You don't have to say you're sorry
To look on further
down the line
Into the sun too close
at heaven love is fine
But you can't hold it like a..."

He loves her so much that he releases her if she wishes to go/if she really feels the need for something more substantial and "concrete" than the heaven he wanted to show her.

If it wasn't for these verses, the song could be understood even as the author's speaking to himself (and of course, as always, whoever wants to listen).
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PostPost #65  Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, dear author, you consciously wrote that song for one (ice?) queen, but I received some messages from it miles away; so in that name, here is a song for you as an homage to that love of yours (we respect every love!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBd5wOFL86g


(Of course, exclude me from "mislili smo svi..."
I don't even think da si čudan; but you gave yourself that nick! Laughing
(in homage to the superhero Elric?)


P.S. I think I figured out this love story, but I won't tell it; though, something I'd say would actually boost Andy's reputation among guys, but it's just about shallow level, and such people don't dwell here. Wink

You know what, gals and guys. When "flesh of your flesh" (better say "soul of your soul"; t.i., pardon - both) pops up in your life, you'll know it - suffice to say. No one else will save you completely, but they will , 'cause that's how it goes.
Until then... I'm not clever enough. Just do what you feel...


And why am I so amazed with this song? First, I know the feeling of "everything under the gun" all too well.
Then, it seems that I was going through, in some ways, similar experiences as the author at the approximately same time; and there was involved a guy who opened my heart (and who happened to look exactly like Andrew at the time, lol; which I learned of years later (I wasn't watching tv so much then)... he was not just looking like the author, but was in many terms his twin brother Smile When I realized that, it made me a definite firm believer in multiuniverses:-))... So, M. opened the door , but Andrew's "Under the Gun" opened it wide... and I was free then... for a while (until I've sinned again against my deepest feelings)... but for that, another Andrew's art worked out; he forgives me... all... and me too.Smile How nice shelter art is...


I recall that "Under the Gun" was a big deal the trigger which led me to read Rudolf Steiner (yeah, yeah...). Wink
Interestingly, whenever Andrew's universe touches mine, very soon afterwards I receive some unexpected spiritual message (to put it shortly like that), which basically acts as a shield, I see now... truly eldritch thing.
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PostPost #66  Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm sure Von has said he was never interested in and didn't even like the videos, only doing them because the record company expected him to. So I wouldn't read too much into the visuals.

And bear in mind he only wrote the lyrics for the end section ("Forget the many steps" on.) The verses and chorus were written by Roxanne Seeman (who, indeed, is a woman), and it wasn't a collaboration: Von added lyrics to someone else's song. So any interpretation of the lyrics should take account of that and not ascribe the entire meaning to either of them.
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