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PostPost #26  Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

E's are as cheap as a couple of quid nowadays. They're cut with all sorts and the chances of getting pure MDMA is very unlikely.

As for speed I don't know how much you'd pay. It's sooo last year. Coke now apears to be the drug of the masses; if you can afford 40 a gram.
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PostPost #27  Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

re:ecstasy.-
while the price has dropped dramatically,as posted above,this doesn't seem to be any indication as to the quality ie.the good stuff is as cheap as the bad,is as cheap as the fake.

although the days of being sold aquarium-oxygenating tablets,dog-wormers (or indeed anything in pill-form) seem to be in the past there are still unscrupulous b@stards everywhere.
other drugs put into E's are usually cheapies:ketamine,barbiturates,etc.
so really if you get sold fake E's and they're actually speed,it could be worse,(though there will be next to fcuk all speed in them probably).

pure MDMA powder (crystals) is about 40/gram if you can find it,but its a case of being in the right place/knowing the right people.i've come across people selling crushed E's as MDMA but even if this is genuine Ecstasy you'r still being ripped 'cause it's still gonna have all of the binding agents used in pills.proper MDMA powder is usually purpley-brown.

re.speed- as HoM says,the popularity of speed seems to have dropped right off.cut-to-f**k whizz is always gonna be about a tenner/gram though.it can have anything in it,usually glucose (or lactose 'cause it doesn't taste sweet ,which is a give-away that its sh!t.)

"base" speed is uncut whizz and therefore "pure",although it's only going to be "pure" whatever-it-was-to-start-with:varying methods and gverment-licensing of the industrial solvents used in production (and their subsequent sub-standard substitutes) can lead to all sorts of different sh!t.

as with all drugs you can expect to be ripped-off more often than not until you have reliable sources.
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PostPost #28  Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

a year and a day since my/the last entry and i have a "from the horse's mouth " explanation for the line "nothing but the knife to live for":
a good friend of mine was (it turns out) one of the "wide receivers"- ie. sisters security-as mentioned in the "wake" credits, and they introduced von to the technique of snorting speed from the tip of a knife dipped into a bag of said substance. according to my friend, eldritch had never seen anyone do speed in this fashion (or indeed in such quantity), and wrote amphetamine logic in their honour. cool eh? Cool
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PostPost #29  Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
cool eh? Cool


Very. We are not worthy!
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PostPost #30  Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

nick the stripper wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
cool eh? Cool


Very. We are not worthy!

equally as cool is that this person was -along with lemmy,another aquaintance of his- responsible for persuading the injured eldritch to return to the stage of the royal albert hall for the encore by compiling all the available drugs and getting him to take them.
there's not many people who can start an anecdote with "when andy came off stage me and lemmy..." and be telling the truth,however my sources' credentials are impeccable. Our fearless leader!
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PostPost #31  Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
cool eh? Cool


Very. We are not worthy!

equally as cool is that this person was -along with lemmy,another aquaintance of his- responsible for persuading the injured eldritch to return to the stage of the royal albert hall for the encore by compiling all the available drugs and getting him to take them.
there's not many people who can start an anecdote with "when andy came off stage me and lemmy..." and be telling the truth,however my sources' credentials are impeccable. Our fearless leader!


Beautiful story man. We are not worthy!
I've got this image of Lemmy holding court backstage as Our fearless leader! is pushed through the door as Lemmy holds out a hunting knife with a Scarface-esque pile of whizz on it. Laughing As everyone stands back in awe as the whole lot gets hoovered up the Vonsnout. Must be when his mechanism went. Mr. Green

Sorry Andy - I know you're mechanism is fully intact
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PostPost #32  Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:

there's not many people who can start an anecdote with "when andy came off stage me and lemmy..." and be telling the truth,however my sources' credentials are impeccable. Our fearless leader!


Reminds me of that scene from Wayne's World 2 with the super-roadie talking about having to find a brandy glass full of green M&Ms in Sri Lanka at midnight "or Ozzy wouldn't go on". Wink

Another interesting roadie point: Eldritch lists Emerson Lake and Palmer in his "hate and despise" list, but his old buddy Lemmy was apparently the roadie for ELP at one stage and it was him who gave Keith Emerson the knife he used to smash up his Hammond L-100 organ in his stage act.
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PostPost #33  Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

but the shopkeeper and his son... that's a different story altogether. I had to beat them to death with their own shoes.
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PostPost #34  Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

nick the stripper wrote:
but the shopkeeper and his son... that's a different story altogether. I had to beat them to death with their own shoes.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Billy Idol right?

Haven't seen it in ages.
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PostPost #35  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ok...after reading the other interpretations in this thread, I now think I'm reading waayyyyy into the song, haha
But basically, here is what I think it's about [this is copy/paste from an earlier explanation to someone]

the song is about how people in society rarely have anything to live for and are nothing but people going about their day to day lives, living, working, breeding, only to die in the end and have made practically no effect on the world. "One life, all I need!" He sings about how desperate he is for some meaning in his life.

"Watch them do, the falling over. Watch them do, the standing still!"
The world is run by the elite,
and I believe this line to be how in important situations requiring their decisions, they tend to trip over themselves in trying to "handle it their way", or just completely stand still like idiots while the world falls appart in front of them.

"Nothing but the knife to live for" What the knife may represent, I'm not sure, but whatever it is, it is something pointless, no doubt, showing how insignificant he feels. "People, bought and sold, and the world keeps turning" To each individual, their life is their greatest possession. When you have people buying and selling this oh so sacred object, and the world keeps turning, it brings into question, is it really that important? Or is it only as important as The Powers of society deem it be?

The final bit I would like to add, is that by the end of the song, you can sense the insanity/desperation in his voice [maybe not this live version, though] but it is just showing how desperately he needs meaning, that one good reason. The Amphetamine Logic is to describe the twisted methods the higher ups use to run society, Amphetamine being a drug that speeds everything up, signifying how fast and pointless is all is.


And...
That is it =X

What do you guys think? Confused


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PostPost #36  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Smile ... agreed, ... (but way too tired now to give you some more comments ...)
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PostPost #37  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think you're reading too much into it. It's about amphetamines. Laughing
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PostPost #38  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

markfiend wrote:
I think you're reading too much into it. It's about amphetamines. Laughing


..sure?
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PostPost #39  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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PostPost #40  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ThousandAndrews wrote:
markfiend wrote:
I think you're reading too much into it. It's about amphetamines. Laughing


..sure?


Yes.
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PostPost #41  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

markfiend wrote:
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


depends which former US president is wielding it Wink
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PostPost #42  Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

markfiend wrote:
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


That's way ... Very Happy ... the amphetamine is only the stage fog machine ... Mr. Green ... Laughing ...
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PostPost #43  Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

One interesting point: I've often thought of "Amphetamine Logic" as a sister song of sorts to Frank Zappa's "Cocaine Decisions".
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PostPost #44  Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sunsonic wrote:
You could use some skunk instead of speed on yer hot knife


I rememebr a party once where Hot Knives were being offered and they were using skunk (pot).
I'd never known much about speed until recently.

I've smoked good pot from Humboldt County, California but that's as far as my drug indulgenece has gone or will ever go.

After only 2 or 3 hits of Humboldts finest through a pipe I was so stoned like never before that I couldn't talk for about an hour.
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PostPost #45  Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

An interesting thought is to change some ords around, and it turns into the ULTIMATE Emo anthem Laughing

"and nothing but the knife to live for,
one life, all I need,
give me one good reason,
give me more....


A friend of mine pointed that out, and I giggled.
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PostPost #46  Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LyanvisAberrant wrote:
An interesting thought is to change some ords around, and it turns into the ULTIMATE Emo anthem Laughing

"and nothing but the knife to live for,
one life, all I need,
give me one good reason,
give me more....


A friend of mine pointed that out, and I giggled.

Which words have you changed around? Cos those look like the correct words to me.
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PostPost #47  Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Oops.
f**k.
Just... Typed out... The original... Lyrics Sad Embarassed

"Nothing but the life to live for
One knife etc...
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Sorry about that Laughing
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PostPost #48  Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LyanvisAberrant wrote:
Oops.
f**k.
Just... Typed out... The original... Lyrics Sad Embarassed

"Nothing but the life to live for
One knife etc...
"
Sorry about that Laughing


can you put your remix up on youtube, i'll look forward to that

a mashup with this would be top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyfu_mU-dmo

We are not worthy! We are not worthy! We are not worthy! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy We are not worthy! We are not worthy!
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PostPost #49  Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LyanvisAberrant wrote:
"[i]Nothing but the life to live for

Surely that's far too cheery for a goth anthem Laughing
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PostPost #50  Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

stufarq wrote:
LyanvisAberrant wrote:
"[i]Nothing but the life to live for

Surely that's far too cheery for a goth anthem Laughing


I'm sure it is.
That was my gripe. Laughing Laughing
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