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Being645
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PostPost #1  Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:10 pm    Post subject: Suffer In Vain Reply with quote Back to top

Hello, does anybody have this bootleg CD?

I have now created a page for it in the SistersWiki ... and there are some questions unclear ....
https://sisterswiki.org/Suffer_In_Vain

Are there really two cover versions?

And how about the origin of the recording?
https://sisterswiki.org/Suffer_In_Vain#Track_List_and_setlists

Any suggestions welcome ... Smile ...
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PostPost #2  Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yep, I have that. The nun is on the same inlay, just on the back.
The recording is from Popular Creek I believe, but would need to check my notes.. will try to do so one of these days as I'm not at home today and won't be untill very late Wink
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PostPost #3  Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ah, thank you for the clarification about the cover ... We are not worthy! Very Happy ...

As to the recording, some sources mention Popular Creek but mostly it's just "Live Chicago 1991 like on the CD ... Wink ...

Looking at the table, it seems way more likely that the main source is Riviera (5 April 1991) ... a Sisters only gig ...
as the songs were almost all played in the order of the CD there ... and only 1 track was not on the setlist.

For Popular Creek (12 July 1991) ... a shorter festival gig ...
the order of songs differs a lot from the CD ... and two tracks were not played that are on the disc ...

So it is clear that some track(s) are taken from a second gig either way ...
But, yes ... only a listen to all the recordings (the CD, Riviera and Popular Creek) can clarify that .. Confused ...
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PostPost #4  Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have this on cassette, labelled as "Chicago 1991".
It's years ago since I did a comparison, but I've noted on my cassette that only Stop Draggin & This Corrosion are from Poplar Creek 12.7.91 and I listed the rest as being from "USA 4.91", probably because at the time I couldn't identify the rest of it.
So perhaps the rest of it is Chicago 5.4.91, like you've said.
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PostPost #5  Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I checked my notes and I only had Stop Draggin' down as recorded in Popular Creek. During Body & Soul the good Doc broke down and I guess they needed some time to reanimate him. Eldritch then started the acapella Stop Draggin' My Heart Around. The only time he did that in 91 I believe.
I don't have that Chicago recording so can't check it, but Suffer in Vain might very well be that recording except for Stop Draggin' (and possible TC as dan said). The Suffer In Vain cd sounds like crap too btw...
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PostPost #6  Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thank you both. I have now digged out my old harddrives and found recordings from both the gigs and also some Suffer In Vain data files
that were shared along dime some time ago ... the latter included a txt.file saying that apart from Stop Draggin' My Heart Around and This Corrosion
all other tracks were from Boston, Citi Club ... which I checked ... and FACT ... only the crowd noise is somewhat less on the bootleg CD ... but still ...

txt.file wrote:

The Sisters Of Mercy - 'Suffer In Vain'

Lineage: Bootleg Silver CD -> TLH -> Flac (level 6)

Notes:
Bootleg with songs from 2 concerts of 1991. Tracks 1 to 9, 11 to 13 are from Citi Club, Boston, USA - 29 March 1991,
tracks 10 and 14 are from Popular Creek Music Theater, Chicago, USA - 12 July 1991.

For a long time this silver bootleg has been labeled as Popular Creek Music Theater, Chicago, USA - 12 July 1991,
probably because of the inclusion of Stop Draggin' my Heart around, wich was only played in this concert during 1991,
a cappella.

The reason of this improvisational moment from Andrew Eldritch is the crash of Doktor Avalanche during Body and Soul
(wich was cut halfway). A lot of fans of the band had already noted that Body and Soul is complete in this bootleg,
so at least that song wasn't from the Chicago concert.

Since I'm not an expert on the post 1985 TSOM, I asked the assistance of Heartland Forum Meth to try to figure out wich songs
where from wich concert. He managed to solve the puzzle and also noted that the songs from the Chicago concert don't seem to
be from the same source as the complete recording of that concert that is in ciculation and has been shared here on DIME before
(by Cyberbio, I think). So maybe a second complete source of this concert exist.

Huge THANK YOU to Meth for helping figuring out the venues of the songs.

Tracklist:

01. First and Last and Always - (Boston 29-3-91)
02. Lucretia my Reflection - (Boston 29-3-91)
03. Body and Soul - (Boston 29-3-91)
04. Ribbons - (Boston 29-3-91)
05. Alice - (Boston 29-3-91)
06. Dominion/Mother Russia - (Boston 29-3-91)
07. Amphetamine Logic - (Boston 29-3-91)
08. Detonation Boulevard - (Boston 29-3-91)
09. Marian - (Boston 29-3-91)
10. Stop draggin' my heart around - (Chicago 12-7-91)
11. Gimme Shelter - (Boston 29-3-91)
12. Flood II - (Boston 29-3-91)
13. Temple of Love - (Boston 29-3-91)
14. This Corrosion - (Chicago 12-7-91)



So that is finally resolved ... Mr. Green .... with thanks to everybody, and of course to Meth and the uploader of that bootleg as welll ... Very Happy ...
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PostPost #7  Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, the above info is correct, the songs were ID'd for darkcircle a while back
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