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PostPost #51  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

No drugs in nwn. You're obsessed. Lmao
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PostPost #52  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

speaking as someone who has been from time to time drug-obsessed there is a definite tendency by those who haven't been to see drug references where there are none.
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PostPost #53  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

So as someone who has been from time to time drug-obsessed would you say that he was actually writing about waiting for a train that didn't arrive?
He should have double checked the time-table. Wonder what he did in the end, maybe caught a bus or just hoofed it and saved the fare money for more drugs.
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PostPost #54  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lordofthepies wrote:
I always thought "waiting for the train" was a metaphor for waiting for the rush from whatever drug one had built up a tolerance to, hence "waiting in vain"

There's a mention of drug inertia in reference to Nine while Nine in this Interview from '87 http://www.spookhouse.net/tsom/mastersvoice.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAshOzRGrBw
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PostPost #55  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Speaking as someone who has been from time to time train obsessed there is a definite tendency by those who haven't been to see train references where there are none.
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PostPost #56  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
read it again..he speaks to von about 9 whiile 9 but only uses the words "drug-inertia" in describing to us the track he is talking to von about... it's not necessarily so that he used the words "drug-inertia" to describe 9 while 9 to von. Wink hehe ...this is the sort of bollocks that the lyrics section is traditionally full of. indeed... Laughing

The song he's talking about is very specifically Nine While Nine:

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What are your writing impulses now? Considering that you've cleaned up and look fit(ter) and happy, can we really expect the traumatised emotional blackmail of "Marian" or the vicious drug inertia of "Nine While Nine"?

Personally I don't see the drug references either and have always assumed it's about the breakup with Claire (especially in light of what Von later said about Driven Like the Snow), but the interviewer does use the drug inertia quote directly about NWN in a question to Von, who doesn't correct him.
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PostPost #57  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My mate lived with Claire. We all liked pie
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PostPost #58  Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It wasn't Claire, it was Josie.
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PostPost #59  Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mh wrote:
It wasn't Claire, it was Josie.


Josie liked pie too !
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PostPost #60  Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lordofthepies wrote:
So as someone who has been from time to time drug-obsessed would you say that he was actually writing about waiting for a train that didn't arrive?
He should have double checked the time-table. Wonder what he did in the end, maybe caught a bus or just hoofed it and saved the fare money for more drugs.

who says the train doesnt arrive? he says he is waiting for a train, and at another point he says he is waiting in vain...i dont think there is any indication that the two waits are indeed one, although they could well be simultaneous. and since when did trains run to timetables? indeed, since when did train timetables have unforseeable delays foreseen and accounted for?
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PostPost #61  Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

stufarq wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
read it again..he speaks to von about 9 whiile 9 but only uses the words "drug-inertia" in describing to us the track he is talking to von about... it's not necessarily so that he used the words "drug-inertia" to describe 9 while 9 to von. Wink hehe ...this is the sort of bollocks that the lyrics section is traditionally full of. indeed... Laughing

The song he's talking about is very specifically Nine While Nine:

i know...

stufarq wrote:
that article wrote:
What are your writing impulses now? Considering that you've cleaned up and look fit(ter) and happy, can we really expect the traumatised emotional blackmail of "Marian" or the vicious drug inertia of "Nine While Nine"?

..... the interviewer does use the drug inertia quote directly about NWN in a question to Von, who doesn't correct him.

point conceeded.
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PostPost #62  Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Thread necro: waiting for my man Reply with quote Back to top

I was killing time, reading over this thread. If we take the interview at its word - that Nine While Nine is indeed about drug inertia - well, "train" is slang for heroin. Makes me almost wonder if the entire song isn't about coming down, and its symptoms.

I know, it could be a stretch and it's easy to go down the rabbit hole. But here are some of the drug terms that feature in the lyric:

train - heroin
line - cocaine
snow - Cocaine; heroin; amphetamine - driven snow = pure
cigarettes - cigarettes Wink
window pane - LSD; crack cocaine

And then of course there's Driven like the Snow - have to wonder whether all that "mist" is coming out of the end of a glass pipe ...
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PostPost #63  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Thread necro: waiting for my man Reply with quote Back to top

kafka wrote:
"train" is slang for heroin.

Not one that I've heard before
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PostPost #64  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

i think you may be mistaken about "train" meaning heroin, certainly i have never ever heard it called that. the term "train-spotting" as in the film of the same name (which is famously about a group of heroin addicts) refers to the "track-marks" or scars/scabs on someones arm who has been taking drugs intravenously, rather than to the drug itself. the sisters song "train" is definitely about speed/amphetamine, and, i suspect, the dubious practice of injecting said drug ("mainline" - more train terminology- is also very old slang for injecting any drug.)

kudos for knowing that window-panes are a type of LSD preparation-aren't they the best? Cool
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PostPost #65  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Fair enough - I was just going from what I found on http://www.noslang.com/drugs/dictionary/t/ ... (from which, too (I'm afraid), I found the window pane reference!

p.s. FWIW, according to wikipedia "Irvine Welsh himself has explained in a Q&A that the title is also a reference to people thinking that the hobby of trainspotting makes no sense to non-participants. Likewise, the same applies to heroin addiction: to non-addicts the act seems completely pointless whereas, to someone hooked on heroin, it makes absolute sense."
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PostPost #66  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

And obviously it's REALLY all a reference to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CdmUC3pQbY
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PostPost #67  Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi. Great discussion. NWN is my favourite song of all time! Driven like the snow is in my top 5. That says something about me I guess...

For me NWN is simply about loss. Does not really matter what one is loosing. The beauty of NWN is that it can be (and is) about any type of loss (love, youth, high, hope, self, time, life...).

THAT universality, imo, is what makes NWN such a bloody fantastic song.
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