Heartland Forum Index
       FAQ      Rules      Search      Paypal Donation      Photo Gallery      Sisters Wiki   
   Register · Profile · Log in to check your private messages · View New Posts · Usergroups · Memberlist · Statistics  
   Follow us on   Twitter    Facebook · Log in  
The 1985 split
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Heartland Forum Index -> Sisters Chat
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
metal on metal
Amphetamine Filth


Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 112
Location: Barcelona

PostPost #1  Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: The 1985 split Reply with quote Back to top

In a Melody Maker interview around the time of Floodland, Eldritch claimed that he titled the Albert Hall gig "Wake" some time before it actually happened "and the others are still probably wondering why" (I don't have the copy to hand so I'm paraphrasing there). In this light, the "thank you ... and GOODBYE" at the end of the Wake video would seem to suggest that he did see this gig as an ending of sorts. I've always been confused by this picture of events, though, as the band did try to write songs for the second album in Hamburg afterwards, which is when Hussey and Adams walked out. So ... had Eldritch decided to end the band long before the split happened? Did he engineer a situation where a split was inevitable? It all seems a bit Machiavellian, most unlike the man's public persona Laughing Why go through the charade of trying to write songs and recording demos for an album he had no intention of making? Couldn't he have just split the band there and then?

(This is my first post, by the way, so be gentle with me! Smile )
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Potski
Road Kill


Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Posts: 16

PostPost #2  Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

This is a hard one, cus all we know about what happened is what either Eldritch or Hussey have said. Rumour has it Von refused to sing any of Husseys songs and with that Craig also somewhat annoyed by the musical direction that Eldritch was heading down, walked out. Hussey then left a day or so later, with a view that he would still record the guitar for the new album. Then all the sisterhood stuff kicked off and put an end to that idea.

It has also been rumoured that the split/sisterhood saga was engineered between Eldritch and Hussey, So that Hussey's new group would get lots of publicity and Eldritch would get an advance from he record company.

I don't think we will ever really know what went on, cus both Eldritch and Hussey don't strike me as being reliable sources. Given the amount of drugs they were taking at the time, I'm surprised they can remember much of what went on themselves.

Just another point Patricia M. must have gone through the charade of recording the bass for Floodland only for Eldritch 'alledgedly' getting someone else in to record it. Funny how part of the settlement on that was Pat is not allowed to talk about the outcome, makes me think she won!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Syberberg
Utterly Bastard Groovy Amphetamine Filth


Joined: 17 Feb 2006
Posts: 959
Location: The People's Republic of West Yorkshire.

PostPost #3  Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Welcome to HL metal on metal.

The '85 split turned into a rather nasty affair, but had seemingly been simmering from when Wayne joined after Ben Gunn left.

One rumour (from road crew) that I've heard is that during the Black October Tour, Gary approached Andrew and said: "It's either him or me." The "him" in question being Wayne.

The stories about Andrew not being prepared to sing any of Wayne's lyrics is fairly well documented from both sides, so I'd take that as being fairly true.

There's an excellent interview from issue 6 of UTR with Andrew about the former members which might be helpful. Start here.
_________________
I don't necessarily agree with everything I think.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DOZMEISTER
Road Kill


Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Staffordshire

PostPost #4  Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

From what i remember it was mentioned in the press releases for the Albert Hall gig that for one of them it would be their last gig.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Potski
Road Kill


Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Posts: 16

PostPost #5  Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DOZMEISTER wrote:
From what i remember it was mentioned in the press releases for the Albert Hall gig that for one of them it would be their last gig.


I'm sure I've read somewhere that Gary Marx was due to come back and play that show as his final gig with the band, maybe that was relating to him?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stufarq
Popweazle Piddlepoop


Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 3209
Location: my own imagination

PostPost #6  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I've certainly heard the "him or me" rumours many times. But why would AE give the Albert Hall gig two names? Wasn't it billed as Altamont: A Festival Of Remembrance? Why also name it Wake beforehand? I'd always assumed the name of the video came later as an allusion to the split.

As for AE refusing to sing Wayne's lyrics; he at least tried them out on the demos. (And, to be fair, his voice and those songs just don't go together. Both are good individually but they don't match up. Plus, it would have left him not contributing anything to the songwriting. But I digress.)

Both AE and Wayne have given different accounts of the split at various times. Sometimes it was amicable to begin with (musical differences) and only turned nasty after the Sisterhood argument. Other times the whole Sisterhood thing was deliberately calculated to annoy AE. And at others Craig walked out because AE wouldn't even touch Wayne's songs (see above) and Wayne left next day because AE said he'd finally got rid of the driftwood. In this latter account, they pretty much never got on and didn't talk to each other while making the album. And yet, on the Lighting The candles DVD, Wayne insists that, contrary to popular opinion, he really enjoyed his time in the Sisters.

The whole Floodland bass story doesn't sound very convincing either. How could he not have known she couldn't play? Who played instead? And how did she manage to play for all those other bands? In fact, why would she have complained about not getting a credit if she didn't play? It's not as if any of the other performers (AE included) were actually credited either, and she was the one appearing in all the videos and photos and sleeves and TV shows and interviews.
_________________
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
robertzombie
Overbomber


Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 4315
Location: London

PostPost #7  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I assume that if it wasn't Pat on bass it was probably Eldritch seeing as he can play the instrument.
_________________
THIS IS TERMINAL GODS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
metal on metal
Amphetamine Filth


Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 112
Location: Barcelona

PostPost #8  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the link, Syberberg. and thanks for the welcome. Nice to be here! That's an unusually candid interview with him there, although I'm still none the wiser about whether he planned the split lol.

Yeah, I think the Albert Hall gig was indeed billed as Altamont: A Festival of Remembrance, stufarq. I seem to recall seeing a music paper advert which featured this, although my mind may be playing tricks. I'm just referring to what Eldritch said in that MM interview, which implies that he saw the gig as the end of the road. Maybe he was just telling porkies!

Regarding Patricia Morrison, surely she could play, as she'd done so with other bands such as the Gun Club? And surely Andrew Eldritch knew this, as the Sisters had played with that band? It seems a bit odd to hire a bass player (even if it was just to present the semblance of a band to keep the record company happy) and then just have her in the studio for "moral support". As she was there, why not give her the bass and let her get on with it? He talks about delegation and others not pulling their weight in that UTR interview so that would be one less job for him, at least!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
markfiend
goriller of form 3b


Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 19933
Location: st custards

PostPost #9  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Quite frankly, I think that the Patsy Didn't Play On Floodland story is bullcrap.
_________________
it is my firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Dark
Underneath the Rock


Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Posts: 6606
Location: On the edge of the mind.

PostPost #10  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You're not alone in that opinion.
_________________
Danse Macabre
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
eotunun
Overbomber


Joined: 06 Aug 2005
Posts: 3698
Location: Planet Ki

PostPost #11  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"The Internet is allergic to truth, reason and humour."
Now look where we are at the moment.
I guess most of the stories about the band(s) are mainly made up. The "stars" drop flares to maintain their privacy. Like Andrew's shades. I put stars in clamps as we talk about people who are stars to us, which is a group of well over a million rock fans and g*ffs and what other corner this fancommunity collects the member as it rolls by. But there's not enough of us for all the bands to really make a living on. See here.
I have no difficulty at all understanding why someone would trick people into believe stuff that's untrue. If a successfull musician who sold millions of albums has to shake every customer's hand, he doesn't get to scratch his own buttocks anymore. When our stars work elswhere or are privately in public, they want to be able to do that in normal lifes. Thus give the heat seakers of fans and press some flares to keep them busy.
_________________
There is shadow under this red rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
smiscandlon
Overbomber


Joined: 05 Feb 2004
Posts: 2595

PostPost #12  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Never heard them called "clamps" before. Is that a German thing?
_________________
анархия
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eotunun
Overbomber


Joined: 06 Aug 2005
Posts: 3698
Location: Planet Ki

PostPost #13  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Umm.. Embarassed A krautsch tanslation error one. Try brackets instead. It wasn't me...
Brackets and clamps are the same in german. ("Klammer") I always get trapped by that mistake. Neutral
_________________
There is shadow under this red rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
smiscandlon
Overbomber


Joined: 05 Feb 2004
Posts: 2595

PostPost #14  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

eotunun wrote:
Umm.. Embarassed A krautsch tanslation erreor one. Try brackets instead. It wasn't me...
Brackets and clamps are the same in german. ("Klammer") I always get trapped by that mistake. Neutral


No, these are brackets -> ( )

We usually call "" quotation marks or inverted commas.

Edit: For what it's worth, I prefer clamps.

"nipple"
_________________
анархия
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eotunun
Overbomber


Joined: 06 Aug 2005
Posts: 3698
Location: Planet Ki

PostPost #15  Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Embarassed Embarassed
Okay, we are talking about a goof, not a translation error.
Can anyone tell me where I get a better brain, please?
_________________
There is shadow under this red rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Spiggy's hat
Utterly Bastard Groovy Amphetamine Filth


Joined: 31 Jan 2002
Posts: 661
Location: East Yorkshire

PostPost #16  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

stufarq wrote:
I've certainly heard the "him or me" rumours many times. But why would AE give the Albert Hall gig two names? Wasn't it billed as Altamont: A Festival Of Remembrance?



_________________
Give me one good reason
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
robertzombie
Overbomber


Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 4315
Location: London

PostPost #17  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

5.30! Neutral Crying or Very sad
_________________
THIS IS TERMINAL GODS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Big Si
School Bully


Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6535
Location: Glesga Central

PostPost #18  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

robertzombie wrote:
5.30! Neutral Crying or Very sad


Back in the days when a pint of Beer was less than a Pound! Surprised Wink
_________________
"An 'orrible Kant!"

"oh!!! PISH!" - RIP, Jam~es Blaast 1958-2016
RIP Molly "The Mum" Gallagher 1921-2018

mybelgiannemesis
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
James Blast
Banned


Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 24739
Location: back from some place else

PostPost #19  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I fancy a pint, soon, like this Friday. Ab'dy else?
_________________
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Big Si
School Bully


Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6535
Location: Glesga Central

PostPost #20  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

James Blast wrote:
I fancy a pint, soon, like this Friday. Ab'dy else?


Family commitments on the wrong side of the border Neutral
_________________
"An 'orrible Kant!"

"oh!!! PISH!" - RIP, Jam~es Blaast 1958-2016
RIP Molly "The Mum" Gallagher 1921-2018

mybelgiannemesis
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
James Blast
Banned


Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 24739
Location: back from some place else

PostPost #21  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Erse!
_________________
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MadameButterfly
Mad Mental Bat


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 6635
Location: in my own galaxy

PostPost #22  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Oi! You boys take that chatter to PM's please!

Back on topic with regards to the 1985 split....
_________________
here we go again....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
James Blast
Banned


Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 24739
Location: back from some place else

PostPost #23  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

... and just what does a girl know about it?
_________________
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MadameButterfly
Mad Mental Bat


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 6635
Location: in my own galaxy

PostPost #24  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

....well that I'm in the Patsy camp as she provided some lovely years which made the Sisters look good! We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

girls know more than we let onto you know.... It wasn't me...
_________________
here we go again....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Big Si
School Bully


Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6535
Location: Glesga Central

PostPost #25  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MadameButterfly wrote:
....well that I'm in the Patsy camp as she provided some lovely years which made the Sisters look good! We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

girls know more than we let onto you know.... It wasn't me...


Which is still a helluva lot less than the huge and absurd amount us blokes give you credit for Wink Mr. Green Twisted Evil
_________________
"An 'orrible Kant!"

"oh!!! PISH!" - RIP, Jam~es Blaast 1958-2016
RIP Molly "The Mum" Gallagher 1921-2018

mybelgiannemesis
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Heartland Forum Index -> Sisters Chat All times are GMT + 1 Hour
 Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 1 of 4

 


Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2001, 2002 phpBB Group  ·  Heartland supports phpBBHacks.com
Theme and Graphics by Quiff Boy, Tim Blackman and those nice people at ibplanet.com