What do we call that 'h' thing?

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You know the one. That mellifluous and utterly bastard groovy exhalation that occurs so frequently in our favourite songs by our favourite artists. Not gonna make this too easy by giving you Eldritch or Bowie examples (of which there are numerous.) Suede instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxtIwh1Nz0k

0:21: call-h-ing
1:14 - w-h-ind

S-h-o, what do we c-h-all th-h-is?

Has science ever given a name to this phenomenon/behaviour?


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a sneaky way to take a breath midway through a long lyric?
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It's breathing out.

'Except the fan was blowing.'

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over-aspiration.
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I guess it's one of those ornaments ...
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emilystrange wrote:over-aspiration.
A slight case of?

I guess it is Being645, but is there a name given to that frequently-occurring (in my music collection anyway) specific ornament?


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Well, here's a List of ornaments ... if you please to check *... :wink: ...

*I'm too busy atm to do so ...
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emilystrange wrote:over-aspiration.
If untreated, it can lead to histrionic nephilimitis, which is apparently incurable.
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Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:
emilystrange wrote:over-aspiration.
If untreated, it can lead to histrionic nephilimitis, which is apparently incurable.
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You don't want nephilimitis, trust me. Your command of the English language goes down to the toilet to the extent that you can even pronounce, let alone write dodgy lyrics using words like 'leviathan' and 'Chthululuiuuuu'...whatever.


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XidiouX wrote:
emilystrange wrote:over-aspiration.
A slight case of?

I guess it is Being645, but is there a name given to that frequently-occurring (in my music collection anyway) specific ornament?


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It's not an ornament, because ornaments are additional notes that embellish the score (eg trills or glissandi). This is a speech/phonetics thing but there probably isn't a technical name for it because it would be considered an undesirable affectation and singing or phonetics teachers would discourage it.

Let's name it Buddy Holly pretentious over-aspiration syndrome. It falls into the same category as Mariah Carey note juggling disorder and The Voice contestants falsetto complex.
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
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stufarq wrote:
Let's name it Buddy Holly pretentious over-aspiration syndrome. It falls into the same category as Mariah Carey note juggling disorder and The Voice contestants falsetto complex.
:notworthy: :lol:
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Sounds good to me, although it would be nice to have a name for it that formed a suitable acronym.


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Okay. How about "poasp" ( pəʊsp ) ?

Pretentious
Over
Aspiration

Eg.
The vocals were rich & well delivered, with only a hint of poasping.
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I'd love to hear The Sisters cover Rave On or Peggy Sue.


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Andrew is just a super-goffic fragile misfit hexed with halitosis.

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Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Andrew is just a super-goffic fragile misfit hexed with halitosis.

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Go to your room and think about what you've done.
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stufarq wrote:
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Andrew is just a super-goffic fragile misfit hexed with halitosis.

IZ.
Go to your room and think about what you've done.
But is that nagging song still playing in your head? Good! ;D

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Oh, being on the topic of "what is that voice thing called", there is a particular thing that I've mostly heard blues singers do... it sounds almost like a growl/throaty trill, and is usually used to accent single phrases.
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rien wrote:Oh, being on the topic of "what is that voice thing called", there is a particular thing that I've mostly heard blues singers do... it sounds almost like a growl/throaty trill, and is usually used to accent single phrases.
Whaddayacalldat?
Blues Grit.

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Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
rien wrote:Oh, being on the topic of "what is that voice thing called", there is a particular thing that I've mostly heard blues singers do... it sounds almost like a growl/throaty trill, and is usually used to accent single phrases.
Whaddayacalldat?
Blues Grit.

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Thanks! I've googled it and I'm not entirely sure whether it's the same thing (although my google-fu might just be crap), so just to make sure:
It's what Gaga does at ca. 53 seconds in, on the word "world" (and on "I"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6EbB8Stse8

(I guess I could also have opened Audacity and do that thing myself, but then I'd have to upload it somewhere...)
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rien wrote:
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
rien wrote:Oh, being on the topic of "what is that voice thing called", there is a particular thing that I've mostly heard blues singers do... it sounds almost like a growl/throaty trill, and is usually used to accent single phrases.
Whaddayacalldat?
Blues Grit.

IZ.
Thanks! I've googled it and I'm not entirely sure whether it's the same thing (although my google-fu might just be crap), so just to make sure:
It's what Gaga does at ca. 53 seconds in, on the word "world" (and on "I"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6EbB8Stse8

(I guess I could also have opened Audacity and do that thing myself, but then I'd have to upload it somewhere...)
She does a decent attempt, but no, that's no blues grit.

You want blues grit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmRjqBt_mE
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Izzy HaveMercy wrote: You want blues grit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmRjqBt_mE
;)

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Why, what a wonderful little ditty :lol:
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