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PostPost #1  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Vision Thing Reply with quote Back to top

This is just a post to announce that I am completely thick Embarassed . Sometimes, I think about a Sisters song for a while, and something so blindingly obvious occurs to me that I can't see why I didn't see it before. noworrimean? Laughing

I remember Andy saying that the funny little noise at the beginning of Vision Thing was a sniff. Didn't think much of it at the time, thought he was a kind of sniffy person really Rolling Eyes . It was only listening to said song this morning that I worked out what the sniff meant.

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PostPost #2  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You mean the sniff of a whiff of speed?

And isn't it great the way one can find little details still, after years of listening to the albums? That's one of many things that makes them so great. Very Happy
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PostPost #3  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

See, everyone knows but me. But yes, the sniff of drugs (of cocaine, though, I think, given the colombia / war on drugs context). The snort of coke that sets the song in perfect context. A wonderful start to a song, no? I agree, this is what makes the Sisters so phenomenally wonderful, the eternal possibility that you can decipher another layer and transform your understanding of a song. Heh.
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PostPost #4  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Actually, I wouldn't have known, or paid any attention to it, hadn't Von mentioned it in that interview. And ho-yes, a great way to start a song like that indeed.
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PostPost #5  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Did you know that the original first line was:

"Twenty-five rooms in the whore next door"?
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PostPost #6  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The Green Lantern wrote:
And isn't it great the way one can find little details still, after years of listening to the albums?

After years of listening to the same old, same old you could find any reading you want in there. No, we just need new product Sad
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PostPost #7  Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, you're right. Who am I kidding? Very Happy Smile Neutral Sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPost #8  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Red_Kola wrote:
Did you know that the original first line was:

"Twenty-five rooms in the whore next door"?


That's tremendous. Is it true? If so, I wonder what made him bottle it and change the line? There has to be a demo / 'finished mix' with that line in it somewhere.
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PostPost #9  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Dave Whelan wrote:

That's tremendous. Is it true? If so, I wonder what made him bottle it and change the line? There has to be a demo / 'finished mix' with that line in it somewhere.


Somebody said so on Dominion years ago. Might even have been Edward Bax himself. If not, certainly one of the GPS central command. I always assumed it to be true...
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PostPost #10  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

sorry to be a pedant, but is the 'sniff' not just the high hat as can be heard on any alesis based drum machine, or more specifically on the Doktor???

It aint human in origin is it....

does that mean that this is all a little moot, as the high hat is traditionally used as a metronome when counting songs into the start.....

The Doubting Doktor.....
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PostPost #11  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It certainly sounds like it, which is why I guess many people never thought about it much. However, Von says it is a sniff... He's led us on a wild goose chase before (see Neverland...), but once you hear that, it really sounds like it, and it seems to make a lot of sense in the context of the song...
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PostPost #12  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

i always thought it was a can of coke opening Embarassed
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PostPost #13  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I always thought it was a metaphorical sniff. Like the creative process began with a sniff. A really huge sniff. Of pure methamphetamine. Such a HUGE sniff that they were able to complete the writing and recordings in a little over one year... Surely an astonishing achievement by anyone's standards.
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PostPost #14  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Red_Kola wrote:
I always thought it was a metaphorical sniff. Like the creative process began with a sniff. A really huge sniff. Of pure methamphetamine. Such a HUGE sniff that they were able to complete the writing and recordings in a little over one year... Surely an astonishing achievement by anyone's standards.

like "going out with a whimper" rather than "a bang"? i always assumed that's what he meant when he made the "starts with a sniff" comment.
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PostPost #15  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

T S Eliot again, eh?
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PostPost #16  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ryan_w_0000 wrote:
i always thought it was a can of coke opening Embarassed

Looking for the can in the candy store?
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PostPost #17  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MrChris wrote:
T S Eliot again, eh?


indeed.

http://www.quotemeonit.com/tseliot.html

Quote:
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper.


and this is how the album starts, not with a roar but with a sniff.

Laughing Laughing We are not worthy!

i also like these lines:

Quote:
Only those who risk going too far can
possibly find out how far one can go.

You are the music while the music lasts.

Some editors are failed writers,
but so are most writers.


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PostPost #18  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

incidentally:
also, from the eliot poem:

Quote:
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;


and the sisters' "on the wire":

Quote:
Now the ground come up too fast
Too fast to meet you


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PostPost #19  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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PostPost #20  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Quote>This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper. <

Also a quote by Dennis Hoppers photo journalist in Apocolypse Now. (when talking about Kurtz to Willard)
Another possible source of his original line of thought perhaps?
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PostPost #21  Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Not with a bang, but a Wimpy

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PostPost #22  Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Red Sunsets wrote:
Not with a bang, but a Wimpy

John Cooper Clarke (Cycle Sluts c. 1977)


We are not worthy! We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

"The f**k- ing Speed is f**k- ing Surf"

He was playing Irvine - yes IRVINE - with the Fall this week. How the mighty...

and nobody told me about the Renfrew Ferry gig... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPost #23  Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I missed The Ferry gig cause my lift's wife was baby sitting (figure that one out). Peeved Sad
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PostPost #24  Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think some of you people have too much time on your hands.
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PostPost #25  Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Black Shuck wrote:
I think some of you people have too much time on your hands.

Is that about JCC and The Fall or this thread BS?
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