This Corrosion

mh · Post #27 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject:

I'd always viewed this particular ring as coming from (or at least heavily influenced by) Tolkien - an object of power that corrupts, consumes and eventually destroys the possessor. In the context of "putting words into peoples mouths" (as Von said) it makes perfect sense: Wayne saying "give me the ring" and Von saying back "OK, you've got it, now you're f--ked, ha ha ha".

It wasn't too long after when Wayne started coming out wih "precious, precious" in his lyrics either. Mr. Green

Interesting too that the "loan/lone and level sand" quote from Ozymandias makes another appearance here too. Could this also be a comment on the squabble: "even when all our works are in ruins, you're still carrying on"...?
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nick the stripper · Post #28 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:

Is gimme dream child and do you hear me call a reference to the song Marian, which a quite blatant simulacrum of appeared on the debut m*****n album?

James Blast · Post #29 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

it's man vs. woman stuff - love = hate
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million voices · Post #30 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:18 pm Post subject:

It was mentioned earlier but not really explored.

Does anyone think there is a connection between the interminable "Hey Now Hey Now Now" and the "Hey Nonny Nonny" poem in Much Ado About Nothing??
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stufarq · Post #31 Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:33 pm Post subject:

Given "kissed and toll'd", the ring is surely the sound of a bell rather than a physical object. Although it could be both - something made of gold, a metal NOT subject to corrosion.
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million voices · Post #32 Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:24 pm Post subject:

My knowledge of Shakespeare is limited to an 'O' Level exploration of Macbeth which was done so long ago I think it was still in copyright.
However, with the help of Google and my own decaying brain the Nonny thing basically seems to be saying maen are are a bunch of s**t, frauds and can't be trusted. Possible themes that may be found in "This Corrosion".
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markfiend · Post #33 Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:33 am Post subject:

Heh. Reminds me of a thing I saw on Neil Gaiman's tumblr the other day:

Types of English folk song:
I Met a Girl and We Went Hunting (It Was a Metaphor for Sex)
I Met a Girl and We Caught Some Birds (It Was a Metaphor for Sex)
I Met a Girl and We Found Her Lost Pet (It Was a Metaphor for Sex)
I Met a Girl By Staying At Her Parents’ House and She Made My Bed (It Was an Especially Thinly-Veiled Metaphor for Sex)
I Am a Girl and I Regret Engaging In Metaphors for Sex Because Now I’m Pregnant
I Met a Girl and Bribed Her Into Sex But She Stole My Horse and Ran Away With It
I Met a Girl At an Inn and We Had Non-Metaphorical Sex But She Stole My Stuff The Next Morning and Now I Have Syphilis
Your Fiance Died Either at Trafalgar or Waterloo, Let’s Get Married, I’m Glad You Said No Because I’m Really Him In Disguise
Lord Nelson Sure Was Awesome
The Press-Gang Dragged Off All the Important Men in My Life (And Now They Are Dead)
Farm Laborers Are The Salt of the Earth And Are Never Grindingly Poor
Begging Is a Completely Viable Career Option With Flexible Hours and Unlimited Access to Alcohol
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paint it black · Post #34 Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:45 am Post subject:

kafka · Amphetamine Filth Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 115

One of the things that makes the Sisters my favourite band is the depth of the lyrics, and the fact that there are all these references and allusions buried in there.

I think Andrew once referred to them as "time bombs" or something similar, and it's such an appropriate description. I'm actually quite excited because I think I've found a bit of an important reference that I don't believe I've ever seen anybody talk about before: in Wilfred Owen's "The Wrestlers" appears the following line:

From quivering heel to haunch like sweating hawsers

The full text of the poem is here http://markandrewholmes.com/thewrestlers.html -- and in it is, I think, packed an awful lot that redounds on This Corrosion.

You can read/unpack the poem for yourselves, but in a nutshell I read it something like this (keeping in mind I'm no scholar of classical mythology!):

- A great strong god (Heracles / Eldritch) was caught up in a wrestling match with the small, rather cocky Antaeas (Hussey) (an "earth child"). It's exhausting, and Heracles can't seem to make purchase. But as soon as he figures out that all he needs to do to best his opponent is to "root him up", his victory is assured. And then Antaeas/WH comes pleading to be allowed a place alongside Heracles/AE, but the latter won't hear of it ... and then shortly after, Heracles/AE forgets all about his former foe.

I don't think any of this is a stretch at all, and it's all from a single line of the song ... which leads me to wonder how many other allusions and extended meanings are there, hidden in plain sight.

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kafka · Amphetamine Filth Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 115

Oh, and a follow-up question: who played the part of Hylas?
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stufarq · Post #37 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:07 pm Post subject:

Good find kafka - although I'm not sure Von's ever forgotten or let it go Laughing

paint it black · Post #38 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:28 am Post subject:

Living on If (Kipling)

Loads of TC in if
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markfiend · Post #39 Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:07 am Post subject:

million voices · Post #40 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:35 pm Post subject:

Eldo has said the song is about Wayne

Maybe "Gimme the Ring" means that Eldo wants Wayne to give him a call on the telephone - he is missing him and wants to talk

Just a thought
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Being645 · Post #41 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:33 pm Post subject: